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📝 How to Cast Out Demons By Yourself

📺 Watch This Before You Try Casting Out Demons


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7 Do’s and 7 Dont’s of Prophetic Ministry (Breakers Challenge)

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Many Christians have been hurt by bad prophetic words.  Many have even left the faith altogether as a result of being in toxic, charismatic churches. Alternately, many other people have also been tremendously helped and even guided by powerful prophetic words. So how do you ensure that the prophetic words you give are helpful and not hurtful?  

Here are 7 do’s and 7 dont’s of prophetic ministry that can help you as you move in prophetic ministry.  

7 Do’s of Prophetic Ministry 

1. Do encourage, edify, exhort, and comfort others through your prophetic word.

1 Corinthians 14:2-4 (ESV)

For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.  On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation.  The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church.

This sounds basic but so many people do the opposite of this.  New Testment prophecy is to encourage.  

2. Do read your Bible.

Read your bibleI have heard countless prophetic people say, “I’m waiting on a word from the Lord.”  Open your Bible. You’ll get one immediately. Many people want the rhema  word of God to the detriment of the logos word of God. So, read your Bible.  

When you read Genesis through Revelation, you get an insight into the character of God.  

I spend so much time with my wife that if someone told me my wife said something, I could judge it and say either, “Well, I know her character.  She didn’t say that,” or, “Yeah, that sounds just like her.”  When you read the Bible, you know what God sounds like.  

3. Do allow a senior pastor to cover you.

Those who are in authority must be under authority.  Just because you were hurt by a covering doesn’t mean you can’t now be protected by a covering.  Just because a covering misunderstood, ostracized, and gossiped about you doesn’t mean God can’t give you a covering

that will lift you up, encourage you, and give you direction.  Your covering can give you a platform, influence, greater insights, and care for you.  But you have to be under authority if you are to be in authority.  That’s God’s plan. If you’re wondering what’s your next level, but covering is missing from your life because you’re a rogue prophet, your next level is coming under a covering.  

4. Do speak the truth in love.

Prophecy should be rooted in love. Because I have two daughters, I often ask myself,  am I disciplining them out of anger in response to what they’ve done? Or am I trying to increase their wisdom and raise them up? Is this discipline I’m giving bringing them to a place of maturity?

God does not give you discernment to increase your criticism, He gives it to increase your accuracy. Prophets see much in the spiritual realm that it can create anger.  So make sure your prophecy is rooted in love and not anger or criticism.  

5. Do exactly what the Holy Spirit instructs you to do.

Prophecy is delivered to your spirit and mind before it goes out of your mouth.  There can be a temptation to change the words or deliver it differently than your receive it.  Do exactly what the Holy Spirit instructs you to do.

6. Do use prophecy to guide others into the Lord’s will.  

Boy reading mapJesus constantly revealed the will of His Father. When you prophesy, don’t try to help people fulfill their will. Use prophecy to fulfill God’s will.  You’re going to feel a temptation, especially when God uses you to prophesy to renowned famous, or well-know people.  You’ll feel the pull to ask, “Okay God, how do I help them fulfill their will?”  But no! Prophesy so that you can help people concerning the Lord’s will.

7. Do prophesy to point others to Jesus Christ, not yourself.  

I know it sounds basic, but if you’re operating in supernatural ministry, there can be a temptation to absorb glory instead of deflect it to the Lord.  But the secret to elevating it to higher dimensions of influence is deflecting more and more to the Lord.  Glory should come through you, not to you.  Be a conduit for glory that deflects back to Jesus, not an absorber of glory.   I’ve seen people start so well, but then money starts flowing into their cash app, Venmo, and PayPal.  Then they start getting invited into green rooms and it perverts the prophetic in their life. 

7 Dont’s of Prophetic Ministry 

1. Don’t say “Thus sayeth the Lord” just because they did it in your storefront Pentecostal church.

I was raised in that same kind of church. But it doesn’t mean that we need to put “Thus saith the Lord”  Why? Because sometimes, you’re going to miss it.  You won’t always be 100% accurate.  

That phrase was used in Old Testament times for the prophets to identify whose god they were speaking on behalf of. New Testament prophets don’t have to do that anymore  (Jeremiah Johnson talks about the difference in Old Testament and New Testament prophecy at length in my interview with him, which you can check out here.) 

2. Don’t always prophesy doom and gloom.

God may use you to do a future foretelling prophecy.  And many significant prophetic voices have warned of economic downturns or war, and have been accurate. But if your prophecy is primarily doom and gloom, you don’t have a revelation that whenever there is a Goliath, there’s going to be a prophetic David. Whenever there’s a famine, there’s going to be a prophetic Joseph sitting on the pile of grain to distribute to a nation.  God always fights a spirit with an opposite spirit. Don’t constantly prophesy doom and gloom.  

3. Don’t spend a lot of time in dialogue before and during prophetic ministry. 

It poisons the well.  Let me explain.  You don’t want to prophesy 30% from the things you’ve learned from your conversation and 70% from the Holy Spirit. Sometimes, the more information you take in in the natural realm, the harder it is to enter to the spiritual realm.  Oftentimes I will limit my conversations with people before and during prophetic ministry to help keep the ministry pure.

4. Don’t ever use prophecy to control other people.

Puppet on a stringFeel free to send the link to this blog to anyone you know who is doing that! Even if you think that what you’re saying is right and they need it, just call it a teaching, not prophecy.

If what you’re saying is beneficial and going to bring correction, call it a pastoral counseling session. Call it a teaching, call it advice, but don’t call it prophecy.

5. Don’t release a word if you are a people pleaser.

If you want people to like you, don’t become a prophet.  At one point my life, I prophesied a word and was ostracized by an entire church. Nobody agreed with me. Nobody believed me. They all thought I lost my mind. They all thought I was lying. And it wasn’t until about two years later when the word came to pass that then I was elevated into a higher level of respect. But there was a duration of time where the people closest to me thought I was crazy.

So if you struggle with people pleasing, go before God and say, “Lord, I want to learn the fear of God, which is the beginning of wisdom, but the fear of man is the beginning of foolishness.”

6.  Don’t prophesy when you’re very tired.  

This is important, because when you’re exhausted, you will have a tendency to speak out of emotion.  Elijah was chased in a brutal attack by Jezebel (Jezebel will always attack prophets) and then had ministering angels that fed him as he prepared to sleep.  You have to learn how to rest and recharge because if you minister out of that exhaustion, you will speak out of emotion, which is your soul, instead of speaking out of your spirit in conjunction with the Holy Spirit,

7.  Don’t give directive words about marriage, pregnancy, or moving across the country. 

Pregnant woman 

You have a 50% chance of knowing what gender the child is going to be.  And if you guessed the last three times correctly, you still had a 50% chance. Medical science will give us the true answer.  We don’t need you to prophesy.  

Here’s the thing about prophecies about who to marry.  People don’t need you to prophesy about whether or not they should marry that person – they need premarital counseling.  I counsel marriages, and even if you are a perfect match with someone, you’re going to need a lot of Christian counseling, healthy relationship skills, and wisdom to survive marriage.  It’s not about choosing the right person, it’s about becoming the right person. So stop with this foolishness. Stop giving people directive words and give them biblical wisdom that teaches them how to be the right person.  Because becoming the right person God’s called them to be will actually help them for the rest of their life.

Here’s a little caveat: If you are very confident that the Lord has released you to do so, then you can give a directive word.  I have given directive words that have been accurate and helped people.  But do this with extreme caution.

 

By following these 7 Dos and 7 Dont’s of Prophetic Ministry, I pray you can grow in confidence as you move in prophetic ministry.  

Further Resources

📝 How to Operate in Prophecy: My Interview with Jeremiah Johnson

📝 Supernatural Healing as Evangelism

📺 Does God Still Perform Miracles?


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How to Operate In Prophecy: My Interview with Jeremiah Johnson (Breakers Challenge)

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Are there people today who have the ability to prophesy?  Many Christians claim to hear from the Holy Spirit concerning future events, even being able to know intimate details of people’s lives that they’ve never met.  Many other Christians claim that the scriptures are all we need and the gift of prophecy has ceased in our time. They point to the inaccuracy of prophecies from people who prophesy, or even worse, the use of prophecy for profit. But what do we do with all of these accurate, modern prophecies? And how do we deny the fact that if it’s administered properly, the gift of prophecy is a powerful gift that could even confirm to unbelievers the reality of Christ?

Today, I’m interviewing world-renowned prophetic voice and apostolic builder, Jeremiah Johnson.  We’re talking about the essentials of the prophetic today.

Mike:   Jeremiah, you’ve been operating in the prophetic for some time now, but people are reading who come from all backgrounds.  Maybe they attend churches where they don’t believe that the gifts of the spirit are even currently in operation, or maybe they were told by the pastor we have one designated person that prophesies, and it’s not you. For the people who want more and are being raised in this hour, I want you to share the essentials as somebody who I trust.  What would you say are the essentials?

The Essentials for Prophetic People

Jeremiah:  A couple of things come to mind. I think it’s really important as we begin a conversation to recognize that there’s a difference between old covenant prophecy and new covenant prophecy. I don’t think that a lot of people understand that. So when you talk about the Old Testament underneath an old covenant, you had prophets who were the singular voice of God to a nation. In other words, the Holy Spirit didn’t dwell within man, He dwelled upon man.

And so, to get a direct word from God most of the time, unless God himself just showed up as he did with Abraham or others, the kings would seek out prophets for a word from the Lord. So, in other words, they were a mediator between God and man. So that’s Old Testament prophetic.

New Testament Prophets

Jeremiah: In the New Testament, Jesus Christ has become the mediator between God and man.  Prophets are prophetic people. In the new covenant, prophets no longer hold the kind of authority that they did in the Old Covenant. The blood of Jesus has banned feeding tube Christianity. In other words, we have to make sure as New Testament prophetic people that we recognize that we have a role to encourage and comfort people and bring strength. If God has called you to the prophetic ministry, you’re a New Testament prophet, even there you have you offer direction, correction, and prediction, primarily those three. But you have to recognize the role that you have is different than that of an old covenant prophet.

So when you hear people make statements like, “Where are the Jeremiahs, the Isaiahs, the Ezekiels?” I’m like, “They’re dead.” I understand what they’re saying but that kind of authority and role in the New Testament church is no longer necessary. Jesus is the mediator between God and man. And if someone is functioning as a New Testament prophet, their number one role is not just to give you a word, it’s to teach you how to hear a word. 

And so again, there’s a heavy dependence upon prophets in the old covenant, but now in the new covenant we prophesy but we teach people how to hear and obey God themselves.

Secondly, in the old covenant (and I’m still going back to this issue because so much of the confusion that’s available in the current prophetic movement is centered on the misunderstanding of the old covenant and new covenant) there’s a primary role of voice to the nation. In the new covenant, we’ve got Jesus, and the Holy Spirit leads and guides us into all truth.  I would say that in the Old Testament, prophets were, for the most part, unaccountable.

Invited Into a Family

Jeremiah: They wandered around in caves, they weren’t well connected, and they just kind of dropped the word of the Lord in and then dropped out.  Again, in the new covenant, we have now been established and invited into the family of God.  So what I tell people is prophets and prophetic people in the old covenant were cave dwellers, but now in the new covenant, we’ve been invited to a family, to a dining room table where we no longer have permission to isolate.

A lot of the problem in the current prophetic movement is that prophetic people think, “I’m just a prophetic person, no one understands me, I operate in rejection and all church leadership are Pharisees and of the devil.”   All of that kind of rhetoric and mindset is rooted in old covenant concepts. I very much believe that one of the primary issues in modern-day prophetic ministry is we are operating out of an old covenant mindset concerning the prophetic and we don’t understand New Testament reality.

So, if you are a prophet or prophetic person, you are called to equip the body for the work of ministry.  How can you equip a body if you’re disconnected from them So when I talk to prophets or where do you attend church? What are you building or who is the person you’re helping to build?  They just kind of look at you crazy. And again, kind of that crazy that comes on them is they have a crazy mindset rooted in a covenant that is now fulfilled in Christ Jesus.

ChurchSo these two things are essential.  Understanding your role as a prophet or prophetic person in the body is to point people to Jesus, to teach people how to hear and obey the voice of God for themselves.  We’re not supposed to be raising a codependent, “You gotta sow a seed, you gotta fund my ministry or I’m not prophesying to you.”  That’s bogus. And then we’ve gotta get over “lone ranger” mentalities in people that don’t believe in the local church and don’t believe in being part of a team. We need to get healthy in the prophetic.

 

Mike: I would like to unpack this a bit with you.  What do you think happens in a prophetic person’s heart for them to say, “I’m wounded and not going to try the local church again.” Is it that we’re living in an era where there aren’t that many local churches that can incubate the prophetic and help it grow?  

As a lead pastor myself, I’ll be honest with you, sometimes I do feel that is rare to find a pastor and church that appreciates the prophetic in other people. So I know there is a lot of woundedness there. You probably triggered a lot of people with what you just said.  How can we turn this into a healing moment for someone who is wounded, knows what you said is true, but needs to take the next step?  What does that look like?  

The Cup of Rejection

Jeremiah:   People get set free with the truth. Mike, I have ministered in over 500 churches and probably trained at least 10,000 prophetic people. I’ve If you got us all in a room, we’re all going to say the same thing because the profile of prophetic people is you have to accept that you will drink the cup of rejection on your way to prophetic maturity. Many prophetic people don’t want to receive that. 

When you start talking to many of us, you find we were rejected by your family.  Sometimes there are supernatural birth experiences, you were certainly thrown away by the local church. But we have to keep our eyes on Jesus, who was without sin. I oftentimes say we have no right to judge and criticize the church unless we’re willing to die for her. 

We’ve all been rejected, we’ve all been wounded, and we’ve all served our Saul.  But remember, you served Saul to get Saul out of you.  In other words, we’re on a journey as prophetic people. You are going to get rejected, you are going to be misunderstood. But this is part of your training for love. Jesus Christ died for love.  There was nothing he did wrong,  There was no dirt on him, but he still chose to love.

So, Mike, I hear it, I’ve trained them, I’ve walked with them. Every true prophetic called person is going to go to the wilderness as part of their calling but not everybody gets out. In other words, many are called, and few are chosen.  Many are called to the prophetic ministry where you’re going to drink that cup of rejection. But very few walk in forgiveness. Very few learn how to heal.

All for Love

Jeremiah: And again, who’s our example? Jesus Christ, King of kings, Lord of lords.  He walked this out as the greatest prophet who ever lived. And he invites prophets and prophetic people today to drink that cup of rejection. And again, I would love to tell people listening today, “Hey, God’s going to send you to a great church. They’re gonna love the prophetic.”  That’s not true. Actually, God is going to send a lot of people. He is going to send you to Sauls. He is gonna send you to assemblies and places that are going to crush you.  They’re going to hurt you, they’re going to persecute you.  And it’s in those trials and tribulations you have an opportunity to bear with the sufferings of Christ and learn how to walk in a pure prophetic flow.

Is Accuracy of Primary Importance?

Mike:   Jeremiah, I’ve been studying the prophetic for over 30 years now. That stretch of an answer was the most profound answer I have ever heard.  The whole time I was thinking, you just saved some people decades.  You just saved some people years if they’ll let that get in their spirit.

I think the biggest emphasis with the prophetic is always accuracy, right?  How can I be accurate?  I think what I hear you saying is that new covenant prophecy is more about being integrated into the body and it’s more about your position than it is about your accuracy if that makes sense. Because trying to migrate somebody into integration where you are a part of something, you’re building something, there’s a legacy connected to it in the body of Christ. And so what would you say to those who are like, okay, I get it,  I want to learn how to become more accurate. What would you say about accuracy?

 

Jeremiah: I think it’s going back to that misunderstanding of covenants. In the old covenant when people would prophesy and it wasn’t 100% accurate, they would stone them. And if you go and look at that Deuteronomy passage that most people quote about stoning false prophets when it’s talking about false, it’s talking about prophets who have a motivation in their heart that is trying to lead people away from Jesus. 

Let the Others Judge

Jeremiah: In a new covenant, I quote 1 Corinthians 14, which says, “Let two or three prophets speak and let the others judge.”  So, the old covenant prophecy was infallible because it was the very words of God. But in the new covenant prophecy is fallible. Prove it. Why do two or three prophets have to judge another prophet’s words if the word’s 100% accurate?  It’s not.

Or in 1 Thessalonians 5, when it talks about prophecy, it says let everybody go, but then hold on to that which is good. In other words, not every prophecy that is prophesied is good. So I would say the goal is not accuracy, although we should have a high standard.

My thing is, I don’t look at somebody as a true prophet necessarily because they’ve prophesied 100% accurately.  I look at true prophets as people that prophesy accurately, but if they miss it, they repent.  They own it.  They walk in humility.  I contrast this with the perspective of, “Oh, they prophesied and it didn’t come to pass, they’re a false prophet.”  I think they’re more false if they operate in pride and arrogance and refuse to own it,  versus walking in humility and dying to their reputation and saying, “I missed it.” 

And again, it’s all about Jesus. Half the time I’m like, thank God, I don’t know any prophets that are 100% accurate. And you know what? I thank God for that because it aligns me with Jesus. Only he is 100% accurate.  So, I don’t think the goal is accuracy, although it’s very, very important. I think the goal is humility.  It’s being connected to family and serving the body of Christ like Jesus.

 

Mike:  This has been a great conversation, and I want to encourage everyone to get ahold of the resources that Jeremiah Johnson has that help to equip the saints.  There is one book in particular that will help you go deeper on this journey to continue learning about the prophetic called “Cleansing and Igniting the Prophetic: An Urgent Wake-Up Call” by Jeremiah Johnson if you’d like to continue learning.  

Cleansing Prophetic

The Current Prophetic Purging

Jeremiah:  I could talk hours and hours and hours on these subjects but if you’re wanting to dive deeper, there is a cleansing, there is a purging, there is almost a reset happening in the prophetic movement. And that’s why people are on today. You’re asking questions, you want knowledge. God is highlighting prophetic ministry because he wants to call forth a generation of fire-brand messengers who are going to prophesy out of humility and character and hit the mark. So check out that book.

Essential Do’s and Dont’s of The Prophetic

Mike:  If you could give me a very fast 60-second rundown, what are some essential dos and donts?

 

Jeremiah: If you’re called as a prophet or a prophetic person, do not isolate yourself. You have to understand that you’re going to be rejected but you do not have to operate out of a spirit of rejection. 

You need to know that the enemy of the prophetic is Jezebel. There is a great war concerning hearing and obeying God and the spirit of Jezebel will target you and try to keep you from hearing and obeying God. 

I would also say to be aware of your tendencies. Do not ignore what you feel, the burden that you’re carrying. And then I would say, do not operate in bitterness. Do not operate in unforgiveness. Do walk in humility, love, and forgiveness.

And, lastly, you need mentoring. You have to have fathering and mothering in the prophetic to make it through the wilderness. I would say at all costs if you’re a prophet or a prophetic person, seek wisdom, seek mentoring, seek mothering and fathering. It saves my life and I believe it will save yours.

Further Resources

📖  Get Jeremiah’s book, Cleansing and Igniting the Prophetic: An Urgent Wake-Up Call

💻 Find out more about his ministry at thealtarglobal.com

📝 Does God Still Perform Miracles?

📝 Supernatural Healing as Evangelism

📺 Does God Still Perform Miracles?


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Muslim To Christian: My Interview with Farzana Abraham (The Breakers Challenge)

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If you’re a Muslim and you’re curious about Christ and Christianity, I believe that you came to the right place to hear her story.  Farzana’s story is not just about converting from Muslim to Christian, but it’s about finding freedom and healing.  It’s also about breaking through trauma and different pains from the past.  Here’s my interview with Farzana Abraham, who experienced a radical conversion from Islam to Christianity.  

Pastor Mike:  What was it like being raised in a Muslim family in America?

Farzana: Growing up, my parents always believed in Allah, but they didn’t follow the religion. They worked a few jobs to make ends meet. So, because of that, they didn’t have time to teach us, and they would send us to Sunday school and we would learn from other imams.

My parents would fight and argue a lot, and it would turn into abuse.  

My dad’s anger worsened. In the meantime, while that was happening, I was learning from other imams and teachers about the Quran. I felt my parents were forcing their religion on me but weren’t doing their part. So they were like, you need to follow Allah, you need to do this or that, but they weren’t praying or reading the Quran. We didn’t go to mosque. So, that made me think, “Why should I follow the religion if you’re not following yourself, as well?”  And I remember telling my mom that I didn’t believe in Allah and that I didn’t care if I went to hell because I was already living in one.  

I didn’t want to follow a religion just because someone else was following it or just to look like I was following it. It was kind of like oh, what is this person gonna think? What is the community going to think? You’re breaking my heart as a parent if you don’t follow and stuff like that. 

There was one point when I was curious about Christianity, but the way my dad approached it, it was as if I shouldn’t be questioning Quran or Islam. Like, you’ll go to hell if you learn about Christianity.  So, it was just like a lot of fear, but I was still curious about it. I just never really pursued it, because I was worried about what he was going to do. 

Pastor Mike:  I have a question that a lot of people would like to know, especially people that don’t have a window into the Muslim world.  Islam is a global religion, but many people might be watching right now that have never been in a Muslim family. You’ve described your experience, your thoughts, and your beliefs growing up, being forced to go to mosque, but not wanting to be there and questioning and challenging all these things. Do you feel like that’s a common thing within Muslim families, especially in the United States?

Farzana: I feel that it’s very common.  Like, because you’re born into a Muslim family, you have to follow the religion. You’re not allowed to know about the other religions and then it goes back to, what is the community gonna think? You could lose all of your community and your family.  So instead of worrying about your salvation, you’re worried about what everyone else is going to do.  

Especially with 9-11 happening, I began to look at Islam differently, because it didn’t make sense to me. Why would they crash into a building in the name of Allah?  Islam is all about peace. So, when 9/11 happened, I began questioning if it was peace or if it was covering up something.  Pastor Mike:  So you’re dealing with that in the world and then, at home, you’re also dealing with personal pain, and then you’re feeling like you’re forced to learn these things and it’s not even adding up.  And you’re feeling like you’re never good enough, your efforts are never good enough for your dad and your family, never enough for your religion, and you feel the weight of condemnation, guilt, shame, and works.  

Now the gospel of Jesus Christ is that we’ll never be good enough.  We can’t pray enough, fast enough, give enough, or earn enough money.  because you think about Jesus, the gospel of Jesus Christ is that we’ll never be good enough. We can’t pray enough, we can’t fast enough, we can’t give enough, we can’t earn enough money, but we are saved because Jesus was perfect. He died on the cross and three days later, rose again.  If we accept him as our savior, we’re saved and so, it’s the opposite of every other religion. Every other religion’s message is that if you do this list of things, maybe you’ll go to heaven, maybe you’ll have the acceptance of God, but Jesus said, “No, I took your place. You should be punished, you should die, and you should go to hell, but you are going to have eternal life because I took your place. I took the punishment upon me and that’s what it means to be saved, to have a savior.”   

How did you make that transition, Farzana, from being raised Muslim and then almost being an atheist where you’re not even sure God exists, to then now becoming a Christian?  What happened?  

Farzana:  So, when I met my husband, he told me that he’s not an Indian Muslim, he’s an Indian Christian. And I didn’t realize South Asians could be Christians. I thought they could only be Muslims and Hindus.  And after he told me that, I didn’t give much thought to it.  At one point, we went from being friends to the relationship zone.  As things progressed, we were trying to figure out if we should start a relationship.  One of the things he mentioned is that his parents were looking for a Christian girl, so when he told me, I told him I would never convert to Christianity.  Even though I didn’t believe in Islam wholeheartedly, just the idea of converting for a man was not my thing.  

One day I saw him reading the Bible and I asked him what he was reading. He told me about the parting of the Red Sea and I was curious. The Quran talks about that, and it intrigued me that the Bible talked about it too. So I told him that I wanted to know more about it.  So, he bought me my first Bible. 

With him, he wasn’t forcing his religion on me, he was just telling me who Jesus is, and about the Bible. About six months into our relationship, his parents were against our entire thing because they wanted a Christian girl for him.  It’s really rare for Muslims to convert to Christianity and more common for Christians to come to Islam. 

While that was happening,  I told my mom that I was curious about Christianity.  I wanted to learn more about it.  That’s when I found out about V1 Church. The Holy Spirit was really intriguing to me because I had never heard about the Holy Spirit. When I read about the Holy Spirit, the fact that he is someone who can comfort you, who can bring joy and peace, was something that I was craving.  I never really had joy or peace in my life.   With Jesus, you don’t have to be perfect. You can be the most imperfect person, but he’s still going to love you anyway.

Pastor Mike:  Listening to you talk and explain the love of Jesus; no one will ever convince me that His love isn’t real.  The thing about Jesus is He gets to the root.  So when you talked about your dad with anger issues, Jesus wouldn’t just say, well you did ten good things and give bad things, so you still go to heaven.  Jesus would say, why are you so angry? Why are you doing this? And the Holy Spirit would begin to minister to the person, to your dad, and begin to deal with those issues.  

When you came to V1 Church, I watched God deal with the root. You were experiencing so much freedom.  I think there’s a lot of people who question what their family would think if they turned to Jesus.  But that’s not how you make a decision.  You make a decision based on the question, “What does God truly think?”  And Jesus is proof that He loves us and He cares for us. So, if you want to receive Jesus, it’s not about switching religions, it’s about switching from religion to a relationship.  

As we wrap this up, Farzana, what would you say to people who are in a similar place that you were?  

Farzana:  Don’t just follow religion just because someone told you to follow a religion. Follow it because it’s something that you want to do. When you look at Jesus, He isn’t just a prophet, based on what other people are saying. Jesus is actually a real person who really did die and was resurrected three days later.  He’s not just someone that you read about in the books. He’s a living God. 

Jesus said, “Ask and you shall receive.” So, if you earnestly ask Him, “Lord, truly show me who You are,” He will show Himself to you. That’s what happened to me. When I said to Him, “I want to see who You really are,” all of a sudden, I got this wild vision. First, I saw colors, and then a  lion popped up, and then the second after that, an eagle popped up. It started turning white, and then it turned green, and then I saw Jesus. His body was there, but his face wasn’t there. Then, I saw a hand reaching out and it changed.  Then it disappeared again and a bigger hand came out right afterward. 

From that moment, I knew Jesus was real because this was the second time He showed himself to me. If you are truly asking for Him, He will show Himself to you.  He’s not just a prophet.  He’s a person.  He’s the real Messiah.  He died and came back to life three days later.  

Pastor Mike: You just said He will show Himself to you. Jesus himself said, “Knock and the door will be open. Seek and you will find. Ask and you will receive.” That’s all you have to do right now is just seek, ask, and knock. Say, “God, here I am. I want You. I know that this is true. Jesus, You’ve revealed Yourself to me as the Savior of the world.”  The Bible says that when you accept Christ, when Jesus becomes your Savior, you actually receive a new family, as well, and now, there are brothers and sisters that you have in the faith, and you’re going to receive a new family.  Welcome to the family.  Thanks for speaking with us today, Farzana.  

Further Resources

📝 Does God Still Perform Miracles?

📝 Supernatural Healing as Evangelism

📺 Does God Still Perform Miracles?


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This is a guest teaching by Lisa Camme

Before there’s a mass deliverance, there’s a cry that God hears and there’s a counter from the enemy.  

Covenant language is God talking to His people from before the foundations of the world.  God said, “I will be God to you.”  God makes the promises and keeps the promises.  Then He works in us and through us.  

The New Covenant frees us from the dominion of sin and the guilt that plagues us.  The New Covenant is between the Father and the Son, not us and God.  

2 Timothy 1:9 (ESV)

Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began.

He gave it to us according to His own purpose which was given to us in Christ before the world began. You are not happenstance. You are not an accident. I don’t care how you came into this world, God is speaking to you and giving you purpose before you were even born, before you sinned, and before you got into the mess you were in.  

Now we see this conversation that the Father is talking to the Son in Psalm 89. It’s a discourse and He says:

I have found David, my servant;

    with my holy oil I have anointed him,

so that my hand shall be established with him;

    my arm also shall strengthen him.

My steadfast love I will keep for him forever,

    and my covenant will stand firm[d] for him.

I will establish his offspring forever

    and his throne as the days of the heavens.

Psalm 40:7-8

Then I said, “Behold, I have come;

    in the scroll of the book it is written of me:

I delight to do your will, O my God;

    your law is within my heart.”

It’s amazing because when the Old Covenant is obsolete, God comes and begins to write His instructions in your heart and in your mind. He engraves them and He not only gives you the information, but He also gives you the revelation and then gives you the power to do whatever He’s calling you to do.  The cross is the fulfillment of the promise of God and the promise of God is the person of the Holy Spirit.  We were never meant to get free in our own strength. And we were never meant to free people in our own strength. In 2 Corinthians 5:17, it says that when we came to Christ, all things have gone and He makes all things new.  He gives you a new heart, a new mind. He gives you new friends, a new church, new people, and a new prayer life.  He makes all things new. 

In Ezekiel 37, You can see the power and the equipping of the covenant.  He talks about the “I will’s” of God.  Whenever you see the “I Will’s” in the scripture, it is God keeping His covenant. He said: 

  • I will take out your stony stubborn heart 
  • I will give you a new heart  
  • I will put my Spirit in you 
  • I will CAUSE you to obey me  

In short, we’re equipped and enabled to say yes to God.  Sin is subdued, and the dominion of sin is broken. 

Jesus frees us from sin and then He fills us with himself so we can be free, think free, talk free.

Jesus doesn’t want to come and make you a better you.  He came to get rid of you so that you could be a supernatural vessel in this Kingdom.  It’s not behavior modification, it’s total self-renunciation.   You have to renounce self! Get rid of it!

Power was given to you when Jesus rebuked the devil at the cross!  You can renounce self and whatever you need for chains to break. Renounce and rebuke unbelief in your life. 

The Oneness of the Covenant

I want to touch on the oneness of the covenant. Free people free people.  Delivered people deliver people. 

David Wilkerson said, “God sent His Son to redeem a lost world, and Jesus fulfilled His mission through the  Cross. Since every believer is one with Christ through faith, we are also partners In the work and ministry.”

  • We are vessels of the prophetic 
  • We are vessels to evangelize  
  • We are vessels of deliverance  

When that Spirit is flowing through us there’s a free flow of evangelistic deliverance.  The Holy Spirit will lead us to every bound-up, done-with-sin soul.  

Jesus’ Covenantal Prayer Closet

In John 17 we see Jesus in his covenantal prayer closet.  He is pulling us into the Covenant.  He prays for himself, for his disciples, and prays for you and me, before we were ever born.  This is an eternal, evangelistic power.  He says:

Father, I finished the work, I did my work, now do yours. He’s pulling us into the covenant and asking the Father to give us everything He gave His Son.  When you get the son, you get everything – All provision, all power, all protection, and all purity! 

My prayer is not for them alone.  I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message.  We are the answer to Jesus’ prayer.  God has works prepared for us before the foundations of the world.

That all of them may be one, Father, just as You are in me and I am in You.  May they also be in Us so that the world may believe that You have sent Me.  Oneness is the outflow of God’s love and power.  This is evangelistic deliverance.  

I in them and you in me, so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.  When we are walking in covenant, we are walking in the pathway and power of Jesus’ intercession.  When we got saved, we entered the pathway of prepared works that the Father and Son decided before we were born.  Every one of our days were written in a book.  You are not an accident.  You are not a happenstance.  

The Power of the Prayer Meeting

The coming revival will start with those who have red hot intercession privately that breaks out in bondage-breaking anointing corporately.  Breakers get the breakthrough privately before they break out publicly.  We must get back to the prayer meeting.  The devil shut the mouth of the church and removed the prayer meeting.  We must get together habitually and continually to push back the darkness and pray the devil back to hell. 

Jesus promised, “greater works we will do.”  Greater works are tied to answered prayer.  Prayer does the work.  Prayer is the work.  Prayer can break any bondage.  Our prayers create a modern-day exodus to bring those out of bondage and sin.  Prayer drowns the devil in his own schemes.  Demons can’t swim!  The Holy Spirit leads us and guides us.  He searches and seeks until every lost coin and lost sheep is delivered.  When I’m moving from prayer, I’m not needs-driven, I’m Spirit-led.  I’m not obligated to talk to everyone, but available to talk to anyone.  It’s the Holy Spirit that does the work.  

He Hears the Cry

Mark 5:1-20

They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes.[a] 2 When Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an impure spirit came from the tombs to meet him. 3 This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind him anymore, not even with a chain. 4 For he had often been chained hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5 Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.

6 When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of him. 7 He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? In God’s name don’t torture me!” 8 For Jesus had said to him, “Come out of this man, you impure spirit!”

9 Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”

“My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.” 10 And he begged Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.

11 A large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside. 12 The demons begged Jesus, “Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.” 13 He gave them permission, and the impure spirits came out and went into the pigs. The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned.

14 Those tending the pigs ran off and reported this in the town and countryside, and the people went out to see what had happened. 15 When they came to Jesus, they saw the man who had been possessed by the legion of demons, sitting there, dressed and in his right mind; and they were afraid. 16 Those who had seen it told the people what had happened to the demon-possessed man—and told about the pigs as well. 17 Then the people began to plead with Jesus to leave their region.

18 As Jesus was getting into the boat, the man who had been demon-possessed begged to go with him. 19 Jesus did not let him, but said, “Go home to your own people and tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and how he has had mercy on you.” 20 So the man went away and began to tell in the Decapolis[b] how much Jesus had done for him. And all the people were amazed.

In Mark 5, Jesus fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah 61.  He is evangelizing a man and destroying the demonic powers.  There is a cry that reaches Jesus.  God heard the cry and remembered His covenant and was ready to act.  He heard the cry of His children bound in chains, in bitter bondage from taskmasters.  He heard the cry of an addicted and afflicted generation.  The demonized man was able to break the restraints of self-help programs, but he couldn’t break the devil’s chains.

God is raising up breakers to break the spirit of deception and rejection and pray the demons into pigs.  Demons and pigs can’t swim!  A cry was heard in the spirit on the other side of the lake!  Jesus said, “Quick, get in the boat, we’re going to the other side!”  The other side of prayer is deliverance ministry.  The winds and waves were fierce, attempting to hinder deliverance.  Jesus rebuked the elements.  The word rebuked suggests to me that the devil was behind the hindrance.  In another storm, Jesus spoke, “Peace, be still.”  Sometimes before your greatest deliverance ministry, Jesus will allow the devil to whip up a storm so he can show you his power and authority over the elements and the demonic.  In the storm, Jesus puts the devil on notice. He addresses the demons while delivering and evangelizing the demonized.  

He teaches deliverance ministry as he breaks the bondages and breaks satan’s chains.  This is the transforming power of covenantal evangelizing.  He turns the demonized to the evangelized to the evangelist.  Then he says, “Go home and tell your family all that God has done for you, and then go and do the same.”  Free people free people.  

By revealing his covenant to us, God wants to remove any doubts we have about His ability to keep us.  It’s as if He’s saying, “I’m going to treat you as if you have no faith at all.  I’ll make such a strong oath to you, you’ll have no choice but to believe in Me.”

When the Accuser Comes

We are to stay in Christ; abide in Him, trust in Him, and depend on Him.  If we do, we will surely see His glory.  The next time you struggle with a besetting sin, you may hear an accusing voice: “You’ve gone too far and sinned too often. God has turned you over to a reprobate mind.  You’re unclean, unholy, no good, a disgrace to the gospel.  You’ve driven the Holy Spirit from your life completely.”  

When this happens, remind God, the Devil, and yourself: “I am one in covenant with the Father and Son.  Jesus co-signed the covenant with His own blood, and the Father promised to keep me through all my trials.  He’ll hold my hand no matter what comes and will never remove His love from me.  He’ll lead me to victory!” 

Further Resources

To learn more about The Breakers Challenge

📝Supernatural Healing as Evangelism

📝Does God Still Perform Miracles?


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Many Christians claim that miracles happen when they pray: physical bodies are healed, minds are restored, and even diseases like cancer completely disappear.  But many non-Christians claim that these stories are fabricated, or even worse, intentionally made up by ministers to prey on innocent people.  I’m going to teach you how to pray for the sick and how God uses Supernatural healing as evangelism to reach the Lost, including your unbelieving friends and family members.

Luke 13:11-13

And behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bent over and could in no way raise herself up. But when Jesus saw her, He called her to Him and said to her, “Woman, you are loosed from your infirmity.” And He laid His hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God.

 

When The Issue Is Rooted In The Demonic 

When you pray for healing because you’re praying for physical healing but in fact you need to pray that that spirit is removed okay now I’m going to show you.  if you’ve prayed for people to be healed and they have not been healed maybe you are praying for a physical healing but instead you needed to deal with the Demonic so I want to show you what Acts actually happens when you begin to deal with it on that level

There have been instances when people come to me for prayer when I discerned that they needed deliverance so I begin to cast those demons out.  As I cast the demons out, the person began to experience physical healing as well.  Many people go to churches for years, or see psychologists and therapists, or see physical therapists or doctors, but they will not deal with it on the level of the demonic. 

When The Issues Is Simply Physical

There are other instances when people simply need a physical healing.  Their infirmity is not the result of the demonic.  Their physical issue is simply an issue of injury, or wear and tear to the body.  One time I prayed for a woman who, afterwards told me she had a dream that she came in the prayer line and pulled her leg braces off and danced before the Lord.  When she came for prayer she already had expectation for the miracle God would do. As I laid my hand on her head and began to pray, she began shouting and celebrating.  She reached down and grabbed her leg brace and ripped it off, then handed me her cane and started dancing wildly. God put a holy expectation inside of her.  

The Source Of Your Authority 

Matthew 10:1

And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease.

You have authority over unclean spirits to cast them out and to heal every disease and every affliction.  Jesus was a rabbi who had followers called disciples.  Those disciples became Apostles, and those Apostles established the first century church.  Miracles have happened from before Jesus to the time of Jesus. But what Jesus did was establish a covenant so that now we gain access to receive authority over unclean spirits and to cast them out and to heal. This is EVERY disease – diseases that there are medicines and treatments for, and diseases that medical science simply cannot heal. 

It means every affliction.  What is an affliction? It means aches and pains. Sometimes people have things wrong with their intestines or have issues with their GI tract and doctors can’t discover what is this affliction is.  Oftentimes it’s connected to trauma, unforgiveness, or pain from the past. But God says he’s given us authority over every affliction. That means there’s no disease, no affliction, and no demon that you do not have authority over.  

Prayer

I’d like to pray for you:

In the mighty name of Jesus, deaf ears open now, under the sound of my voice. Increase hearing now, in the name of Jesus.  Every spirit of infirmity, every spirit of sickness, I command you to come out of their body now. Loose them and let them go. I break your power right now in the name of Jesus, and I command you to come out of them right now  in the name of Jesus.  Father, I thank you that it’s done.  Amen.  

Jesus still heals.  He still delivers.  He still sets free. 

Further Resources

📝 Does God Still Perform Miracles

📝 Bible Verses About Healing

📺 Casting Out Demons for Beginners


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OBJECTION 1: God performed more miracles in Bible times to establish Christ as the Messiah, but that’s not needed today.

Some would say that miracles were just proof that Jesus was the Messiah and that we don’t need to go around praying for people to get healed and delivered from demons. And since he already finished his ministry, we don’t need that.  Well, let me tell you why that objection is a terrible objection.  

Mark 16:17-18

And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.

Jesus, through discipleship, multiplied the number of miracles. So to say that miracles have decreased since the time of Jesus is foolish because Jesus himself did the work of increasing miracles in his own lifetime. And then it continued to happen, after the death and resurrection of Christ.

OBJECTION 2: People who are into miracles, prophecy, and deliverance are emotional and not biblical.

This is a problematic objection.  1 Corinthians 14:39, says, “So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. But all things should be done decently and in order.”

The true response to emotionalism is training, not stopping prophecy, miracles, and deliverance.  Back in the first-century church, there was emotionalism.  There were people who only wanted prophetic words.  There were people seeking miracles and deliverance, but the response was not, “Let’s stop doing it because a few people got it wrong.” Actually, the biblical response was, “Be eager to prophesy.”

And so when people say we should just stop doing it because there’s emotionalism, or because people gave a wrong prophetic word, no! The apostles had the wisdom to actually say, “That’s not a reason why we stop doing it.  It’s a reason why we put structure and training to it.”

OBJECTION 3:   Most healings and miracles are the power of placebo, not the power of prayer.  

Coworkers, family members who are atheists, agnostics, and people who are deconstructing and left the church will say, “Well, you know most healings and miracles are the power of placebo, not the power of prayer.”  And people will attribute it to the power of positive thinking.  But just because some healings and deliverances have been faked doesn’t mean that they all aren’t real. So there were charlatans and false people in Jesus’ time, but that didn’t stop Jesus from healing or the work of deliverance. So just because some people do it the wrong way doesn’t mean that the ones who have the true living God on the inside of them shouldn’t do it at all.

A lot of people have messed up marriages but that doesn’t mean that we cancel the covenant of marriage. A lot of people have messed up churches, but that doesn’t cancel the body of Christ and covenant through the local church. Just because somebody did it wrong doesn’t mean we stop doing it.  

As a matter of fact, I would say the best argument against the false is the real. Don’t try to fight their false actions with words. Fight their false actions with true healing, true deliverance, and true salvation. When people say, “Well, it’s just the power of placebo,” you tell them it’s not mind over matter. There are medically verifiable miracles. There are things that God does that only he can do.

OBJECTION 4:  People who seek healing and deliverance don’t want Jesus, they just want freedom.

People will say, “Oh, I see all those deliverance and prophecy fanatics.  They don’t want Jesus,  they just want freedom.  They just want a word.”  People will say things like,”Don’t seek God’s hand and what he can do for you, seek his face.” But I’ll tell you, even if you selfishly come seeking his hand, you are so much closer to his face. I don’t have a problem with people getting healed who don’t even want Jesus. I don’t have a problem with people getting delivered who may not even want Jesus.  Why?  Because wanting freedom is the first step to coming closer to Jesus.

In Luke 17:11-19, Jesus heals ten men with leprosy. Accepting Christ as Savior was not a pre-condition for their healing. One of the ten got a revelation of Christ as Messiah because of the healing. Only one of them came back and literally bowed down to him. He cried out with a loud voice, “My Savior, my Messiah.” Accepting Him as Savior was not a precondition for healing.  If you get around enough deliverance, you’re going to find the Deliverer. If you get around enough healing, you’re going to find the Healer. 

People seek prophetic words through psychic mediums. Why not find it through the prophetic people of God? They’re seeking healing through reiki and stones and crystals. Why not find healing through the people of God?

OBJECTION FIVE: They just need discipline, it’s not a demon.  

People say, “You think everything’s a demon.”  The term for the spirit of infirmity occurs in Luke 13:11, specifically in the King James version. Here you have a woman who had been crippled for 18 years. She’s healed by Jesus on the Sabbath day, and Luke says that she has a spirit of infirmity. Another translation calls it a disabling spirit. She didn’t need discipline, she needed deliverance from the spirit of infirmity. Sometimes there is a need for discipline, but if you are not equipped to do deliverance you’ll have people like the woman in Luke 13:11, that never get healed because you’re trying to tell them to go to the chiropractor. You’re trying to tell them to go do physical therapy. You’re trying to tell them to take pills. You’re trying to tell them to get surgery but they need deliverance, not discipline. 

Now, deliverance doesn’t replace discipline.  We know this. They go hand in hand.  In John 5:8, Jesus heals a man, then He says,  “Pick up your mat and walk.” So clearly Jesus understood the value of discipline because he knew that this man couldn’t be a beggar anymore. 

It’s about wisdom.  Of course, everything’s not a demon.  But if you are going to be powerful in the spiritual realm, a true believer and disciple of Jesus Christ, then you have to know when to tell somebody to pick up their mat and walk. And you have to know when to say, “Spirit of infirmity, come out of them.”

OBJECTION 6: Christians who do deliverance, healing, and prophecy are just doing it for fame/clout/finances.

As I teach the scriptures, I encounter modern-day Sadducees that get so upset that God is healing people.  Did you know there is still a spirit of the Pharisee, with pride and arrogance?  How arrogant do you have to be to assume the motive of every healing and deliverance minister on the internet? Those same people would have assumed the same thing about Jesus, as Jesus had large crowds surrounding him. 1 Thessalonians 5:19-22 says, “Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies,  but test everything; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.”

It doesn’t say stop doing prophecy. If somebody prophesies wrong, it says, just test it, hold on to what is good, and reject what is evil. It says, don’t quench it. And there are a lot of Pharisees on Facebook. There are a lot of Sadducees on YouTube that are quenching the Spirit. They’re letting their preferences get in the way of their progress.  They’re letting their church background get in the way of their Holy Ghost future. And the Lord’s trying to call them to go to something deeper, but they’re being held back by doctrines of demons. 

Do not quench the Spirit. I’d rather lose friends than quench the Spirit. I’d rather shrink my circles than quench the Spirit. I’d rather them talk about me or gossip about me. There’s a high price to pay for the anointing. Jesus paid for the resurrection power so that you can operate in it freely, but the level of authority you operate in will always increase on the other side of passing your test.  Jesus himself was tempted by the devil in the wilderness. After He came out of the wilderness he spoke with a new authority. If Jesus’ authority can increase after passing a test, your authority increases after passing a test. 

So as you go through the next several weeks and are praying for people to be healed and delivered, and as you’re prophesying over people, you are going to be persecuted. But persecution is the first step of promotion. Persecution comes first and promotion comes after.  First, they start talking about you, and then, they cannot deny you. Why? Because God started you. No man can stop you, He called you. He separated you and designated you. It doesn’t matter if they see you’re calling.

OBJECTION 7: I believe it’s possible, but I’ve never seen it.  I’ve prayed but I’ve never seen it in my own life.

Matthew 13:57-58, says, “They took offense at Jesus. And Jesus said to them, only in his hometown and in his own household is a prophet without honor. And he did not do miracles there because of their lack of faith.” 

Just believe.  This is the phrase that Smith Wigglesworth used as he traveled all around, he would say the phrase “Just believe, only believe, only believe.” Here’s the thing, you might have to pray for 10,000 people before you see the first miracle. Don’t stop praying for miracles.

I can’t tell you how many generals of old, how many people that we come from in a lineage of faith y’all, we come from a lineage of God’s generals. I can’t tell you how many of them had prayed for hundreds and hundreds of people. No miracles happened, but all of a sudden one happened, and then they happened all the time. I don’t know why God moves that way, but I do believe it’s his will.  Biblically, you never see miracles cease.  You just see people stop believing.

Biblically, you never see prophecy cease.  You just see people who stop prophesying.  It’s still happening, but you’ve got to just believe. 

I wanna encourage your faith right now as we get ready to come to a close.  I started my preaching ministry at the age of 15.  There was a woman at the very first church that I preached at, a small church on the South Side of Chicago.  She brought her four-year-old daughter to me who was born with a decrepit hand. I laid hands on that woman’s child, and all of a sudden her hand begin to stretch forth and she was completely healed.  

One woman I prayed for worked at a Baptist church on staff.  She had multiple sclerosis and had asked for prayer from many different people and she still believed. And she was watching my broadcast and as she watched, she was completely healed. She went back to the doctors and they said every lesion in her brain and any remnant of MS is completely gone. She emailed me all of the medical verification. At V1 Conference, we had a creative miracle happen, where a woman with a deformed ear received healing in her ear. She still attends our church. Somebody else who was there went from nearly deaf to having better hearing than even average hearing. God has exceeded. 

And so, why do I say that?  Because God is raising Breakers. He’s raising up those who will push past every objection, who say, “No, I know the word.” I want to pray over you that you would receive an impartation of faith to become a Breaker, that you would be the generation that rises up in your family and sees every single chain broken, and that you would rise up and see God do it.

Father, I pray for a supernatural impartation from the top of their head down to the soles of their feet that they would receive your anointing.  That burden-removing yoke-destroying power of the Holy Spirit that signs, miracles, wonders, healings, and deliverance would come through their hands. God, that they would activate now, Lord that you would just use them to release the fire of the Holy Spirit. God, I’m not talking about Pentecostalism. I’m not talking about the charismatic movement. This is not a denomination. This is not a stream. This is the identity of sons and daughters rising up and saying, “I am a biblical Christian and I will do all that God’s called me to do.” And Father, I thank you, from this day forth we say “Yes,” to do everything that you’ve called us to do. We’ll pray the prayer of faith in Jesus’ name.

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